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May 28, 2009 at 3:30 am #78306freshchopsMember
From what I’ve read, both the classic and new Memory Man’s delay time is stated at 550 ms delay…..
So simply put, EHX updated the casing, but features are still the same right? The total delay time is still the same?
If you roll the “delay” knob all the way up, the time between delay’s will be the same as the classic version rolled all the way up?Brilliant pedal by the way….. if they added delay time new box, I’d buy one in addition to the classic already owned!
May 28, 2009 at 8:20 am #97077dsl1MemberThe delay time is the same between the two units.
There is a mod for extra delay time through Analog.man for the older version.
http://www.buyanalogman.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=EH+Deluxe+Memory+Man
May 28, 2009 at 10:07 am #97081DreamhunterMemberI tried a big box DMM(reissue, around 2006 i guess) that a friend has vs. my new small box version. What i can tell you is that although they sound quite similar, they DO NOT sound the same. I tried to set the knobs as close as possible, and maxed out the delay time.
Mine seemed to have slightly longer delay time(longer time between the repeats, but just slightly more), and the repeats degraded less on the new box one. The big box one seemed to me to be a bit more quiet, had more degradation on the repeats (i know many people like that about analogue delays).
So they sound close, both sound good, but i can’t say they sound exactly the same at all, the difference can be heard.
May 28, 2009 at 8:39 pm #97097electro-melxModeratorQuote:I tried a big box DMM(reissue, around 2006 i guess) that a friend has vs. my new small box version. What i can tell you is that although they sound quite similar, they DO NOT sound the same. I tried to set the knobs as close as possible, and maxed out the delay time.Mine seemed to have slightly longer delay time(longer time between the repeats, but just slightly more), and the repeats degraded less on the new box one. The big box one seemed to me to be a bit more quiet, had more degradation on the repeats (i know many people like that about analogue delays).
So they sound close, both sound good, but i can’t say they sound exactly the same at all, the difference can be heard.
The only problem with this senario is that all DMM’s sound slightly different. With analogue circuits sound can vary quite a bit from one unit to the next, it’s all about the tolerences of the components and they will never be identical. also it only takes one of the trim pots to be a micron out from the next one and they will sound different……
May 28, 2009 at 8:52 pm #97099DreamhunterMemberThat’s very true, i was also thinking that similar models of DMM might sound slightly different. And indeed with the knobs being also placed differently it is hard to get them exactly the same, with the exception of the delay time which can be maxed out.
May 28, 2009 at 11:36 pm #97105Ned FlandersModeratorknob placements, although they may look identical, are not identical due to tolerances.
pot 1= 100kB actual value is 105kB
pot2= 100kB actual value 97kB
thats a difference of 8k and the same positions will result in different sounds.
Then you have tolerances of all the other components on top of this so variation from unit to unit is going to exist.June 19, 2009 at 5:54 am #98145jawkneeMemberThe new box has a “depth” knob and the old box has a “chorus/vibrato” switch. Can anyone explain how this affects the features of each pedal?
June 19, 2009 at 7:42 am #98146DreamhunterMemberThey are not new controls, the knobs and switches are basically the same as on the old big box. The switch on the old one became a 2 position knob on the small one, and the depth knob is what was before the knob labeled chorus/vibrato. So no differences between the two from this point of view.
July 2, 2009 at 12:51 am #98741nonemorefastMemberI did an A/B with a used, large chassis Memory Man and the new small chassis MM. I am very disappointed to say that the large chassis was much warmer and sounded better overall. I hesitate to say this, but the small MM sounded sterile compared to the large MM. I really wanted the small MM to sound exactly the same, but this was just not the case. Anyone else do a direct A/B?
July 2, 2009 at 8:54 am #98744electro-melxModeratorQuote:I did an A/B with a used, large chassis Memory Man and the new small chassis MM. I am very disappointed to say that the large chassis was much warmer and sounded better overall. I hesitate to say this, but the small MM sounded sterile compared to the large MM. I really wanted the small MM to sound exactly the same, but this was just not the case. Anyone else do a direct A/B?What do you mean by ‘sterile’ ….. cleaner? some people might think that is a desirable thing, some of the old ones were way too grainy imo.
July 2, 2009 at 10:29 am #98745nonemorefastMemberthe repeats of the large MM were warm and fat. Repeats on the small MM sounded similar to the original note, didn’t have that same character. I’m sure every MM is different, and when more stores start carrying the small MM (I ordered mine online) I’m going to do some more A/B’s and hopefully find another small one that sounds a bit warmer.
Are all the small chassis EHX pedals the same design as the large ones? Don’t get me wrong, I’m quite excited to see the small MM, Pog, Micro Synth, and others in a small chassis. I just hope they’re the same circuitry etc.
July 2, 2009 at 1:09 pm #98748punXMemberisn’t it that delay times always differ between DMM units? I own quite a few fromdifferent periods and they all have at times radically different delay times. I digitally measured them and none – even the most recent big box models – reached even 500ms.
July 2, 2009 at 1:10 pm #98749electro-melxModeratoras far as I know most of them are the same circuit, obviously things like the addition of stereo on the pulsar and things like that will change the design slightly, but they are more or less the same.
July 2, 2009 at 1:11 pm #98750DreamhunterMemberI also compared a big box one to my XO one and also found that the new one has a cleaner sound, the repeats degrade less. It is up to each person to decide if that is a good or a bad thing.
July 2, 2009 at 2:23 pm #98753julianModeratorQuote:the repeats of the large MM were warm and fat. Repeats on the small MM sounded similar to the original note, didn’t have that same character. I’m sure every MM is different, and when more stores start carrying the small MM (I ordered mine online) I’m going to do some more A/B’s and hopefully find another small one that sounds a bit warmer.Are all the small chassis EHX pedals the same design as the large ones? Don’t get me wrong, I’m quite excited to see the small MM, Pog, Micro Synth, and others in a small chassis. I just hope they’re the same circuitry etc.
Sometimes, sometimes not.
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