Maybe I should have more specific about it. I was thinking on silicon fuzzes, not on germanium ones. I know germs are more “regarded” as being more musical while silicons sometimes are dismissed as “brute force” only.

I’ve tried some germs (Fulltone Soulbender, Dallas-Arbiter FuzzFace (Dunlop reissue) or listened to Fulltone ’69, but they didn’t hooked me too much. I’d rather use silicons, and most specifically Big Muff which is the one I use as an example and is my number one besides anything else. I own a MXR Classic 108 Fuzz and a Fulltone ’70, which are closer to silicon 2-transistor stage Fuzz Face rather than the 4-transistor stage Big Muff type.

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However… what I wanted to say is: The wah acts as a buffer, so I put it before and fuzz (Big Muff) after. If the wah is true-bypassed, the MXR Classic Fuzz has a “buffer” switch to avoid the high-freq chaos so it can be kept at the same position, but is the only exception I know@.

The strongest reason to me to keep the wah as stock is that sounds me fine. I don’t need anything else. Maybe I’m a “freak” (or worse – laughs!) for saying this, but it’s what I think, sorry!

@ NOTE: I didn’t try the MXR Classic fuzz with wah, because it’s mounted on a board with no wahs. But I’ve noticed that this fuzz sounds “better” being placed at first or second place at chain. The “buffer” not only serves for wah, it’s just more modern sounding fuzz instead the Fuzz Face-type.

As I’ve tried with other friends’ gear: With true-bypassed wah, silicon fuzzes “act better”# if placed first and wah after. But I always like the wah first because my wahs are buffered (not TBP), and despite once I considered the idea of making them TBP, finally I’ve decided to keep the buffer##. Most times I use wah without distortion or fuzz, so that’s another reason for me to keep the wah closer to guitar.

#”Act better” = “We liked more the wah before than after”. Matter of tastes. Nothing else.
## = I didn’t like the sound with the True-Bypass mod. That’s all.

Germ fuzzes are a different story, as you’ve said, you must consider the different impedance devices to place pedals properly to get the best performance. But I can’t tell anything about it

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Big Muff + Wah?: Risky…perhaps a dangerous combination or “expressway to disaster”, but it’s the only I like.This beast is hard to tame but you can get good results.

Thanks for the remark!

Regards

Nacho

Better forget what I said at the first post you quoted me (it’s a retreat of my initial post, obviously I’m “sub par” If I compare with your knowledge). I want to make it clear that I’m only talking about the way I’ve been using the wah (with or without fuzz) for years.

I wish I’d started the discussion in a different way.

I had two options: Before or after, I tried both when I first placed the effects. I liked the former but not the latter.

However, thanks for the info again.

Regards

I’ve messed around with my order.. only to find out that the original was the best.

Guitar to amp: Guitar > wah > filters > OD > boost > lowered voltage muff fuzz > Big Muffs Pi’s > input
Parallel Effects loop: delay > chorus
Series Effects loop: EQ > boost

I like my delays to have the chorus sweep on them, not to have the sweep get weirded up by the delays.
I’ve played around with my dirt order a lot the last days, but I never really use more than one at a time so it doesn’t really matter.

I prefer wah and filtering before dirt..

Soon I might get a Wiggler, I’m wondering where I’m going to put it. Before the amp will give me a bit of a creamyer sound .. but after will probably let the effect shine more beautifully. Aw well, I’ll know in 2 weeks! Any wiggler owners here like to comment?

I think boost pedals like that work best after fuzz/dist.

I’ve always thought a tuner pedal should be first, but if you want the double muff first, than i guess directly after it?

it doesn’t really matter that much, I like it last so when I mute to tune it also mutes any hiss and noise that the pedals might be making….as long as you aren’t trying to tune up with a pich-shifter or vibrato on before it of course!!

My question is with the Micro POG guys.

My chain goes Guitar/Tuner/OD/Distortion/Chorus/Flanger/Tremolo/Delay+Looper/Boost/Amp

Never been sure about where is best for the Micro POG. It seems a lot of you are running HOG’s at the very start. Is this the best position for the POG too? i have tried it all over the place and can’t decide. At the minute I’ve got it just before the delay.

You can mod it to get rid of the volume drop: http://www.ehx.com/forums/viewthread/982/