Looks like the prices have settle down a little bit on the black Russian pedals.  I followed like 10 of them on ebay and the BM’s are averaging like $65, Small Stones $70 and Bassballs $45.  There for a little while they were all over $100!

why all the hype regarding the muffs? corgan used the muff back in 92-93ish. the record with the teeth was mellon collie??? and he used a jmp 1 pre amp . what has caused the latest muff rage? the silver sun pick ups? my introduction to the muff was a total fluke. i am fairly new to the muff which is a long story.i love the nyc re issue, the greenie and black russian re issue. through a clean amp it just rocks. not that qtsa/pumpkin’s sound. the combo of my guitar and any clean amp just sounds like appetite for destruction of all things. a chainsaw!pure hard rock. it’s a very clean sound compared to what the muff is renown for. i scored i think. with my les pauls my tone is too hot. i don’t like it. with the floyd equip strat ...just pure hard rock. with the small clone i got rush’s limelight / boston’s more than a feeling sound. it’s insane. i ‘ve got a tone wicker muff which i am struggling with. with the tone switch off the sound gets brutal but not quite there when compared to the russians and the nyc reissue. the tone/volume dip is kind of nasty though. may need a looper just to balance out the volume. stoked.

The Pumpkins tone that people tend to chase is Gish and Siamese Dream.  The op amp BM is the one he used, thus the “mojo status.”

Mellon Collie was good, but not considered as great as the earlier stuff by most Pumpkins fans.

right!well thanks for the heads up.  while i am on here can you kind folks in muffland fill me regarding the tone wicker muff? how do some of you folks compare it to say the russians(green/ reissues) and the standard nyc reissues. i can’t get a decent sound out of my(T.W) . i amy try it again at practice at snare drum volume but ... i don’t know . may part with it. do most of you muff users use the muff for a lead tone or rhythm tone- both?. i get a ripping rhythm sound out of my muffs (excluding the tone wicker). just curious.

i guess melon collie was a bit more metal sounding.  i believe the silver sun pick ups use muffs. do you know which ones? i am still curious about the latest influx of muff use. aloha!

Maybe you should post a new thread.  This one is kinda old and sometimes this forum takes some time.

wait, so, did Billy use the big muff of Mellon Collie also? because i really want to know how to get a tone like some of the solos on there like in jellybelly, zero, and love you know? like does anyone know how he gets that sound??

Well, no one knows for certain, but based on what Billy and Flood have said, Billy loved the Big Muff tone he got on SD, but had trouble with the Muffs when they toured - they compete with the bass low end and is hard to hear live. He dropped the pedals and switched switched to using a Mesa Boogie Strategy power amp, a Marshal JMP-1 preamp, and an Alesis 3630 compressor to drive more gain into the Marshall for the live fuzz/overdrive sounds.

He got a similar low end fuzz tone like the Muff with that setup. When they went into the studio for Mellon Collie he had the same setup, but Billy also has just about every vintage fuzz and modulation pedal known to man, so he uses lots of different stuff on each song. Lots of old EHX pedals. You hear ring modulators, the Micro Synth, Fender Blender, phasers, and kinds of stuff, not just one pedal. It is different on every song.

Most of the rhythm stuff seems to be the preamp distortions, but I still hear the Muff on a few tracks, like JellyBelly and Here is No Why. The rhytm tracks are multi tracked numerous times, so you can’t quite get that exact sound from a single pedal either. I don’t hear the Muff used for any of those solos, but with all the modulation Billy uses you could use any number of fuzz pedals with the same modulation effects and get similar sounds.

do you know what songs he used the microsynth for?

and thanks for the info!

I would have to listen to it again, been a while, but Love sounded like the Micro. I’m sure there were others as well.